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Perhaps a further rewording of the OP will make it a bit more clear: Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day of the week crucifixion folks, they frequently assert that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language. If it is using common idiomatic language, there ought to be examples of that usage in order to be able to make the assertion that it was common. Someone new looking in may know of some examples as requested in the OP and as clarified in post And remember, the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth.

There are other topics that do that. So again, for those who say that Matthew is using common Jewish idiomatic language, I should think that one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern was used in order to say that it was common. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise.

I refer you to posts 14 and If someone says that Matthew is "common Jewish idiomatic language", they are not giving a considered opinion based on other evidence: they are handwaving. For other comments I refer you to John Gill on the possible appeal to the Greek nycthemeron "hour period", the original reference perhaps being to "three nyctherema" three "day-and-nights" , and to his reference to common Jewish religious not idiomatic interpretation in which part of a day counts as the whole for ceremonial or ritual purposes he gives further references.

I wouldn't say I am clever, but whether I am clever or not, I believe for sure, that God is extremely clever. And then He being full of wisdom, He give the dictation to the writers of the words. Then a day must mean a day and a night, a night.

No where He says half a day or half of a night! Maybe we should just give God thank for Jesus' resurrection. Although I personally can't see how from Friday to Sunday be three days and three nights; but, referring to what Jesus says about Jonah, in the belly of a Whale, it must be right! Blessings to all of you! Since we're well into the new year, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth.

As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew is using common Jewish idiomatic language such as the Messiah saying that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 nights when He knew that it would only be for 2 nights. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used.

So far no one has come forth with any. The Brahman wins. Kindergarten class is over, rstrats - time to move on to graduate school. The Hindu oral tradition and sacred scriptures date back about 5 thousand years. It's odd that someone who rejects religion so soundly should adopt a religiously-motivated dating, discounted by secular scholars.


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Scholars believe the earliest Vedas were composed in the second half of the second millennium, which also matches their linguistic form--Vedic Sanskrit, not PIE. Dating it to 3, BC requires disregarding the linguistic evidence, and adopting the religiously- and nationalist-motivated notion that the Indus Valley Civilization, which began around 3, BC, was Hindu. As for the Hebrew Bible, there's good reason to believe it's a few hundred to as many as 1, years younger, depending on how one weighs composition date, and the date of putative oral sources. Doniger , p.

Remarkable cave paintings have been preserved from Mesolithic sites dating from c. The worship of certain plants and animals as sacred, for instance, could very likely have very great antiquity.


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The worship of goddesses, too, a part of Hinduism today, may be a feature that originated in the Neolithic. We can date much of what is now called Hiduism probably back to around 30, BCE. Some practices must have originated in Neolithic time c. So between 6 thousand and 32 thousand years ago.

I apologize for my previous inaccuracy.

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You might try reading your sources. The author does not in any way endorse the idea that Hinduism is meaningfully 30, or 5, years old. The same applies to your other "may" quote. Maybe neolithic Indians had goddesses. Maybe, indeed. So… Hinduism! We really have no idea how cave-paintings and Indus-Valley signs relate to Gods and ideas first attested hundreds or thousands of years later.

But in any case, if this sort of thing is acceptable, there is all KINDS of better evidence of links between early Mesopotamian or Egyptian and Hebrew religion. Here we aren't relying on later Vedic texts, but actual Sumerian and Egyptian texts. For example, we have extant, exactly dated original versions Sumerian flood-myth tablets dated to 1, BC, a hundred years before the conjectured earliest date of the written Vedas—and 3, years before the first extant text of the Vedas.

Other parallels go back to the beginnings of Sumerian literature, more than a thousand years before the beginning of Sanskrit literature.

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Either Thor or Zeus or Cthulhu or Aphrodite or etc. MAY actually exist - or not. Just stick in a thumb and pull out a plum god and whatever, Tim, you will be a good boy. My point is that animism and then polytheism and some idea of pantheism, including reincarnation and karma, have existed for much longer than the recently in comparison development of monotheism.

The animism of the Australian aborigine has been around for something like 30, years. Why are those guys chopped liver and christians are the cat's pajamas? Some animistic beliefs still exist whose origins no doubt go far beyond that in the misty past - cave bear worship, e. Again, why is animism a potted plant whilst christianity is the bees' knees? You and yours have nothing but opinion, conjecture, imagination and naked belief based in tradition.

At least we can now trust christians not to kill and rip open a pure white goat and predict the future based on the shape of its intestines. And astrology is out now, too, right? So progress has been made by you and yours and is still being made by you and yours we can only hope. So, uh, congratulations and please keep up the good work. Let us know when you are ready for science. I can recommend some good books.

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I would never assert that it is proven, particularly by a citation in some Wikipedia article to a source I didn't bother to read. We really have no idea what pre-historic people believed. We can make certain guesses based on material evidence, and extrapolate from modern societies that may or may not be similar, but that will never move much beyond conjecture.

That you make these claims doesn't speak to a superior interest or ability in science, but to a complete lack of contact with the scholarship, with standards of evidence and so forth. Feel free to send some academic titles pertaining to ancient religion along and we can discuss them. Nothing is ever proven in religion.

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No religious model is testable it would seem. Supernatural claims are all non-falsifiable assertions. Thus one claim is as possibly literally true as another, and just as possibly not true. Well, let's see. In your case I think, firstly, a solid data base of comparative mythology is definitely recommended.

So there are the forty or more books of Joseph Campbell. You can begin there. I have read nearly all of them - not bragging, just stating a relevant fact. The piece resonated with me: "The True Self is all about right relationship, not requirements. It's not about being correct; it's about being connected, which you always were--you just didn't realize it.